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I can think of far better ways to communicate that ideal than to selfishly "opt out".
Instead of being used to promote the betterment of society at large, we sit here and watch the tax dollars that are conscripted from us being used to perpetuate dependency and to dumb down the human race. We watch those dollars being used to purchase political power and influence for a chosen few. We see those dollars wasted over and over again and then are told it would be selfish to want to opt out? I think opting out of paying taxes for awhile is an excellent idea.
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When I said selfishly "opt out", I was sarcastically referring to the people in the article Moomin posted. "opt out" is a polite term for what they did. They aren't heroically taking a principled stand for the betterment of all, they're selfishly gaming the system for their own benefit. Their actions won't make a positive difference.

They aren't "standing in front of the tank", they're chipping bits off it and selling them.
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So they are doing it for bad reasons. At least someone is doing it at all is the point. If they can get away with it for selfish reasons how much the better for those who would do it for reasons most pure and sensible?
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The goal is to reform government - no? It's an issue that affects everyone, so taking a stand should be done publically, using legal means. Secretly avoiding taxes only helps the individual, not the overall society - whether it's done with good motives or bad.
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The goal is to starve the behemoth, any way we can. If people need to cheat on their taxes the starting point is probably that the taxes are too high, or too complicated. If I can utilize selfish bastards to help me towards my goal I will do so. This is too tough a nut to crack to get wobbly about our tools.
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What use do the selfish bastards have?
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Plenty, the Left has been utilizing them for years.
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“I think it’s unfair. We voted for Hillary Clinton, but it is Trump who won. It is unfair,” Heloïse said.
Gentlemen, he said I don't need your organization, I've shined your shoes
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But Eden is burning either brace yourself for elimination
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