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But more to the point: religion, whatever it may be as a personal experience, is also a powerful social power that most certainly needs all the external criticism it can get. |
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Unless you are a Muslim, then everyone has to STFU.
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By "social power", you mean institutionalized, organized religion? If so, I certainly agree that it needs and deserves external criticism. But religion as a personal experience cannot logically be criticized from the outside.
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Ultimately it doesn't really matter to me if the Libyans killed the ambassador because they thought Allah demanded it and the Koran said so or because the thought of offing Yanks just gave them a raging hard-on. Neither case makes it impossible for me to brand them as subhuman scum. And the fact that I have no idea what bowel movements were made in the tender inner sanctum of their souls matters not a whit to me. |
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![]() Anyway, it turns out that in practice religion tends to very much prescribe policies wherever it shows up. Quote:
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I'm not seeing much evidence of that. But then again, by the very nature of not solidifying, it would be much harder to see, so I could accept this being an observer effect. Quote:
Practically: The soft-personal religious people tend to be useful idiots for the islamofascists. Just like the Christian counterparts are. |
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![]() Well, that's the wrong way to go about it of course. As with any sharing of ideas/experiences, the first prerequisite should be mutual respect. Building on that, religionists should be open to the possibility that others have experienced truths that they themselves have not - truths that could enhance their own lives. It shouldn't be about imposing rules (or your experiences) on others, it should be about inspiring others with things that have inspired you. Quote:
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How does this grab you: (1091.6) 99:5.7 Just as certainly as men share their religious beliefs, they create a religious group of some sort which eventually creates common goals. Someday religionists will get together and actually effect co-operation on the basis of unity of ideals and purposes rather than attempting to do so on the basis of psychological opinions and theological beliefs. Goals rather than creeds should unify religionists. Since true religion is a matter of personal spiritual experience, it is inevitable that each individual religionist must have his own and personal interpretation of the realization of that spiritual experience. Let the term “faith” stand for the individual’s relation to God rather than for the creedal formulation of what some group of mortals have been able to agree upon as a common religious attitude. “Have you faith? Then have it to yourself.” Quote:
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