[TNHarley]

I would like to discuss what this phrase means to you
I, personally, do not agree with it at all
ALL men are not created equal
Some people have skills, some do not
Some can lead, some have to follow
Some will succeed, some will fail
I DO HOWEVER believe all people need equal rights (with some exceptions)
Incest marriage, criminals etc you know, the "norm" lol

[TNHarley]

Maybe the rights is all that that phrase was meant for?
IDK I wasnt around to hear the explanation by Jefferson lol

[Midnight_Marauder]

Originally Posted by TNHarley

Maybe the rights is all that that phrase was meant for?
IDK I wasnt around to hear the explanation by Jefferson lol

We have the federalist papers published here in their entirety - whereby Jefferson explains it quite fully:

The Federalist Papers - Reference material - US Messageboards - Opinion, News and Information

[sjys]

反腐倡廉建言

古今中外一切优秀成果皆可借鉴：香港廉政公署，新加坡盛世重典，印度货币改革，美国联邦调查局，欧美之管控 监督机制，墨西哥禁毒风暴，中国历代有效而平稳的反腐举措，中国之四清和三反五反，等等古今中外一切文明成 果都可参考。

治本，制度与文化是关键。

治本为主标本兼治，法治和文化建设两手抓，教育为主，惩治为辅，治病救人救党救国……惩治极少数，挽救大多 数。

五大毒瘤，假冒伪劣、食品安全、腐败、h社会、环境污染。其中腐败是重中之重，是主要矛盾。越南把腐败称为 国难，甚至说国家最大的威胁不是外部入侵而是贪官。反腐这一仗堪比中共之遵义会议和国共两党之辽沈、平津、 淮海大决战。

中央或省部级以上反腐成绩巨大，有目共睹，决不能让腐败反弹或变本加厉。许多有识之士反应，地市级以下（除 了个别案件连带出个别腐败分子）基本没什么动静，或只搞了些皮毛应付上面糊弄群众，中下层的腐败与人民群众 密切相关或直接相关。许多地方出现了大腐败抓中腐败、中腐败捉小腐败、小腐败整群众的局面，事业和企业查迟 到早退，职工应有的福利取消……美其名曰反腐败或全民腐败，转移视线和方向。

许多人建议：惩处比例各地酌情确定，建议占贪官总数的百分之三至五为宜。设置硬杠杠，减少人为因素，比如科 级、处级、地师级分别多少百万、多少千万或多少亿（代议估算和专家等各方人士初审测评）以上为重点排查对象 ，也要注意小官巨贪现象。再如十八大以来仍然大肆贪污受贿的，群众反映强烈的，既无贡献、能力又品质恶劣的 ，拉帮结派搞山头团伙的，瞒上欺下的，腐败多发频发群发领域或行业的，拿贪污的钱坑害和谋杀同类的，跑官买 官卖官的，长期以权谋私排斥人才和异己的，给共产党败兴抹黑的，祸害社会、害人整人的，换了新岗位仍然只贪 污不作为的，等等，这些都可作为入选条件。关键是第一条，即什么官位多少钱，可以做为硬杠杠，可以有效防止 反腐领域的腐败，比如可有效防止选择性反腐和将反腐变成争权夺利的手段或工具。

只要在查实前主动上交赃款（可以通过无人机操作），给予保密，将来一旦查出来可以凭机打单据等证据轻判或免 刑，并给出路。

在制度或相关法律完善之前，可先行跨地市或跨省查处，查处队伍多配备德才兼备、清正廉洁、有理想有纪律的年 富力强的人，查处一个地方后，这些人可以直接补缺或顺延补缺。

查出或上交的赃款（含赃物折价）数目按周或按月公布（。有专家估算，假如海外和国内的赃款全部查出来，中国 人均资产有可能超过所有发达国家。

涉及五大毒瘤的腐败重点查。官员财产公开说了这么多年都没有实施，实施了既能保护官员合法利益，也有利于反 腐。（如果一下实施不了，是不是先搞个官员财产公开的时间表出来安慰一下民心呢？）为反腐顺利而富有成效， 行贿在一定额度内(比如单次百万以内，且这些钱是合法所得)可减轻和免于刑事处罚，特别是要从轻处罚那些被 迫行贿者，主动检举揭发的给予奖励并严格为其保密。对打击报复、迫害、陷害、谋杀举报人者，应给予及时惩处 。

初步形成不能贪、不敢贪、不想贪、贪不上、贪腐耻而不是荣的法制和文化氛围，进一步挽救和巩固党和国家，利 党、利国、利民、利官，功在当今，利在千秋。请转发或转给有关部门。

本文综合了各阶层各行业有代表性的言论、意见或建议，由少集乐等人整理。

Advocate anti-corruption and advocacy

All the outstanding achievements at all times and in all countries can learn from: Hong Kong's Independent Commission Against Corruption, Singapore's Golden Age, India's monetary reform, the FBI, the regulatory regime in Europe and the United States, Mexico's anti-drug storms, effective and stable anticorruption measures of all previous generations in China, Anti-five anti-rebellion, and so on all the civilizations at all times and in all countries can refer to the results.

The root cause, system and culture are the keys.

Maintaining the root cause of the root cause of both the symptoms and the rule of law and cultural construction, with education as the mainstay, punishment as a supplement, treating the sick and salvation the party and the nation ... Punishing the minority and saving the majority.

Five cancer, fake, food safety, corruption, h society, environmental pollution. Among them, corruption is the most important issue and the major contradiction. Vietnam called corruption a national crisis, even saying that the biggest threat to the country is not external invasion but corrupt officials. The anti-corruption battle is comparable to the Zunyi Meeting of the Communist Party of China and the Great War of Liaoshen, Pingjin and Huaihai between the two parties.

The anti-corruption achievements above the central or ministerial level and above are huge and obvious to all. We must never allow corruption to escalate or intensify. Many people of insight responded that there was little or no movement below the city-level (except for individual cases linked with individual corrupt elements), or that only the fur has to be dealt with to fool the masses and the corruption in the lower and middle classes is closely related to or directly related to the masses of the people. In many places there have been corruption in large corruptions, small corruptions in small-scale corruptions and small corruptions. Enterprises and enterprises have been delayed until early departure and canceled due benefits of workers ... In the name of anti-corruption or universal corruption, the transfer of attention And direction.

The five major cancer-related corruption focus investigation. Officials said publicly for so many years have not implemented the implementation of not only protect the legitimate interests of officials, but also conducive to anti-corruption. (If it can not be implemented at all, is it not the first time that an official property is released to console people's hearts?) For the smooth and effective anti-corruption campaign, bribing people within a certain amount (such as a single million or less, and the money is legal income ) Can be mitigated and exempt from criminal penalties. In particular, those who are forced to pay bribes should be leniently punished, the incentives granted to expose them should be given and kept strictly confidential. Those who crack down on revenge, persecution, fraudulent or murderers should be punished in a timely manner.

Initially form a legal and cultural atmosphere that can not be greedy, not greedy, greedy, greedy, corrupt, not honorable, to further save and consolidate the party and state, the party, the country, the people, the government and the government. Today, Lee is good. Please forward or transfer to the relevant department.

This article synthesizes the representative speech, opinions or suggestions of all walks of life in various industries and is compiled by less collectors and others.

Many people have suggested that the proportion of punishment should be determined at discretion, and it is advisable to make up three to five percent of the total number of corrupt officials. Set the rigid bar, reducing human factors, such as the level, department level, to the division level of millions, how many million or how many million (representative estimates and experts and other parties first instance evaluation) above the focus of the investigation, but also Pay attention to the small official greedy phenomenon. Another example is the eighteen big since the wanton corruption and bribery, the masses reflect the strong, neither contribution, ability and poor quality, pull gangsters to engage in hill gangs, hide from bullying, the incidence of mass corruption in the field or industry Of the same type of embezzlement and murder of embezzled money run by the government to buy a government and sell a government for a long time to repel talent and alien with power for personal gains and discredit the Communist Party and harm the society and harm the whole people. Inaction, and so on, all of which are eligible for inclusion. The crux of the matter is that the first one, that is, the amount of money that can be used as a rigid bar can effectively prevent corruption in the anti-corruption area. For example, it can effectively prevent selective anti-corruption and turn the anti-corruption into a means or tool of power struggle.

As long as the investigation before the actual delivery of the stolen money (which can be manipulated by the drone), to give confidentiality, once detected in the future can be based on evidence such as playing a witness or sentenced to light, and give way.

Before the system or relevant laws are perfected, they may be investigated and dealt with in different cities or provinces at different levels. If more people are recruited and dealt with more qualified and competent people with integrity and integrity, idealistic and disciplined laws, these people can be directly compensated for or postponed fill a vacancy.

The number of illicit money (including the sale of stolen goods) found or handed over is announced on a weekly or monthly basis. Some experts estimate that if the overseas and domestic illicit funds are all detected, the per capita assets of China may surpass all developed countries.

[Thanatos144]

All men were created.... Colt made them equal.

[walruskkkch]

Need to the full phrase.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If you separate out just the "All men are equal" you lose the full meaning of what Jefferson was trying to get across. Firstly, that this is a self-evident truth. That it requires no other justification coming as it does from an authority higher than simple human thinking. Secondly the equality is directly defined by Jefferson, that they are EQUALLY endowed with certain "rights". Not that they are equal in every possible way only that they share the same basic rights which he then offers a partial list covering the major areas. These are, of course, "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Now Jefferson also says, "among these" which does imply their are other "Natural rights" that all men share, but he doesn't specify them here. The other thing to take from the full phrase is that these rights are "unalienable" [Or if you prefer "Inalienable" as John Adams insisted.] Which means they CANNOT be taken away from you. Neither by another person or by ANY GOVERNMENT. The majority cannot decide to do it and certainly a group of freaking do-gooders bent on trying to create a "Perfect" society can't either. Sorry, got a bit carried away there, but that's my response to your question in a rather large nutshell.

[moomin]

I've always read it as "as far as the government is concerned, all men are bloody well to be considered equal". This was funny for obvious reasons back when they came up with it and has only been honored in the breach in America, which went straight from segregation to affirmative action without so much as an by your leave.

[moomin]

Ching, chong, chop!

[Thanatos144]

Wtf? Did we get invaded?

[moomin]

By Chin Chon Chop spam bot, no less! Man the ballistic warning systems!