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So you're saying that Trump might not be electable. And that the MSM will stop loving him and throw dirt. Honestly, I can't imagine the amount of dirt needed to make The Donald fold like, say, Herman Cain did. "Unfaithful? Why, you want some, Megyn? Should have called me back when you were still hot...." The Donald will blow scandals off like he was a Democrat. And he won't need to MSM/DNC palace guards to help - he's mastered the trick of using them for his purposes. The shriller and angrier the accusations, the more support he gets. As for electable... I see your card and raise you Romney and McCain.

He might not do what he promises. Well... on the other hand, we've now seen how the rest stack up, and with them the Estados Unidos Del Islamyiah are a done deal. Not a single one of the so-called tough on immigration "serious" candidates have dared back Trump's play here. Trump might deliver. The others surely will. That's an argument for Trump. Immigration, like in Europe, is now the only question that matters. Everything else - including outright crony socialism - plays a distant second fiddle.

Trump has done more to move the Overton window right back where it needs to be for basic US survival in weeks than the entirety of the Republican party and the so-called conservative movement in America have managed for decades. Says something right there, no?
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You are such an optimist.

I would not classify Trump as "electable" in the same way as McCain and Romney because I never really viewed them as electable to begin with. Oh sure they could have won the election if a lot of different things happened for them. But they didn't and they weren't. Trump's electability is a different creature. IF he can maintain the emotional support he is generating now when November 2016 rolls around he could win but I don't see his current support as wide enough, diverse enough or deep enough to be taken seriously. It is not just a question of getting 50.000001% of the people to vote for you but the right number of people in the right places. There is no way to evaluate that at the moment. I freely admit that could change. Once the Field narrows and we can look at a good selection of state polls the picture will get clearer.

It may all be great and good that so far the bomb thrower hasn't dropped one, but I just don't think Trump is going to be able to maintain that all the way through. And it is not like he will get much in the way of help covering anything up like the Democrat would. As long as people are responding to him emotionally, and in a positive emotional way, things look good but emotionally based support can disappear easily when it is not back by at least some rational reason and you simply can't predict what might be the catalyst to that collapse. I am not ready to Jump for Trump.
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And that the MSM will stop loving him and throw dirt.
They don't love him at all, they hate him. He gets coverage because they think it's a freakshow that confirms all of their stereotypes about the unwashed hordes of conservatives who bitterly cling to their bibles and guns, and hate all people of color.

You kidding?
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You are such an optimist.

I would not classify Trump as "electable" in the same way as McCain and Romney because I never really viewed them as electable to begin with. Oh sure they could have won the election if a lot of different things happened for them. But they didn't and they weren't. Trump's electability is a different creature. IF he can maintain the emotional support he is generating now when November 2016 rolls around he could win but I don't see his current support as wide enough, diverse enough or deep enough to be taken seriously. It is not just a question of getting 50.000001% of the people to vote for you but the right number of people in the right places. There is no way to evaluate that at the moment. I freely admit that could change. Once the Field narrows and we can look at a good selection of state polls the picture will get clearer.

It may all be great and good that so far the bomb thrower hasn't dropped one, but I just don't think Trump is going to be able to maintain that all the way through. And it is not like he will get much in the way of help covering anything up like the Democrat would. As long as people are responding to him emotionally, and in a positive emotional way, things look good but emotionally based support can disappear easily when it is not back by at least some rational reason and you simply can't predict what might be the catalyst to that collapse. I am not ready to Jump for Trump.
He does not need it. The more they hate, scream and point fingers, the more they babble about scandal and gaffe, the better for him. Unlike the loser reps, he is not afraid of the MSM/DNC hate. He glories in it. Not for him the timid excuses and vapid, begging explanations of a McCain or Romney. He laughs and he deals right back twice as hard. He is, essentially, untouchable by the media. As Ann Coulter tweeted after reading his immigration position paper - "I don't care if he preforms abortions every day in the White House". He is bringing the meat to the only question that matters - the third-worldization and white genocide of western civilization - and nothing else will stick because getting stuck with closing bridge traffic is for losers who try the play the libmedia game.
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They don't love him at all, they hate him. He gets coverage because they think it's a freakshow that confirms all of their stereotypes about the unwashed hordes of conservatives who bitterly cling to their bibles and guns, and hate all people of color.

You kidding?
Irony. If media could do anything to The Donald, they would have already. He's been the bęte noir since he started running. They are not only impotent, their rage and their habitual gotacha games that work so well on the ordinary timid Republican are entirely counter-productive on Trump. He gets them, like Andrew Breibart did and no other Rep candidate I ever saw - not even Walker or Cruz - do. Trump is happy to have them for enemies.
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I think I can sum up Trump. "So far so good". What he is demonstrating is that having the balls to say what people want to hear can result in support. But that type of populist campaign have a tendency to implode more times than it succeeds. For a host of reasons. I am not saying that I want Trump to fail, my concerns fall mainly along the lines of the practical [Is it sustainable and can it work in a general election] and foundational [Is he going to govern conservatively or as the big government solution Democrat he has been for 95% of his life?]

I will say this. It has not gone unnoticed that sometimes loose cannons can be effective. From HotAir today.

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Trump’s comments about the Fox News host were uncalled for and well outside the boundaries of our usual political discourse. And that’s really the entire point I was making about Trump yesterday, isn’t it? Everything he does is outside the normal political process. The man has taken the rule book, set it on fire and dumped the ashes on the heads of everyone else. And what seems to be driving everyone in the politico class to drink is that he still manages to stay on top. This is perhaps the reminder we all needed.
It is a juggling act and so far none of the balls have dropped. But as one must acknowledge it is still along way until the conventions and the general election. And one last observation, how can a non-Democrat run for the Democrat candidacy? Or why doesn't Bernie Sanders have a [D] after his name instead of the of [S]? Maybe trump should run for both nominations.
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Irony. If media could do anything to The Donald, they would have already. He's been the bęte noir since he started running. They are not only impotent, their rage and their habitual gotacha games that work so well on the ordinary timid Republican are entirely counter-productive on Trump. He gets them, like Andrew Breibart did and no other Rep candidate I ever saw - not even Walker or Cruz - do. Trump is happy to have them for enemies.
None of the above changes my point. I never said they were effective in their invective.
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I am not saying that I want Trump to fail, my concerns fall mainly along the lines of the practical [Is it sustainable and can it work in a general election] and foundational [Is he going to govern conservatively or as the big government solution Democrat he has been for 95% of his life?
Elections - we will see. I have a feeling the US is going to follow Europe down the extinction of the political middle and the days of triangulation are basically over. Rule - how does this danger, him being a possible big-gov dem - differ from the proven fact that basically everyone in the repub party is very much an out-of-the-closet dem already? I mean, it's not like the choice is Trump or a staunch conservative under any circumstances. And the GOP has absolutely nobody but themselves to blame for that.

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And one last observation, how can a non-Democrat run for the Democrat candidacy? Or why doesn't Bernie Sanders have a [D] after his name instead of the of [S]? Maybe trump should run for both nominations.
Isn't the open secret, so open it hardly qualifies as a secret other than in the sense that it must be publicly denied, that D = S?
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Why would he need a teleprompter? He always says the same thing. Nothing but a bunch of generalities with no substance. It doesn't really matter to me though. I would vote for him over a lying bitch like Hellery or a commie like Sanders any day.
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