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Hope is fine, but I'm afraid empiricism is very heavily against here. As stated in the OP: "We didn't do the one and only thing that would have kept our philosophies in the game, which was KEEP THE DAMN BARBARIANS OUT." And note that barbarians, here, includes white females.
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Keeping the barbarians out has never worked, the only thing that can work is to co-opt the barbarian and not have it happen the other way round.
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Keeping the barbarians out has never worked, the only thing that can work is to co-opt the barbarian and not have it happen the other way round.
Funny you should say that. Speaking to someone who still _remembers_ a nice little country that kept the barbarians out just fine. Or who visited Hungary and Poland not long ago and had a look at how barbarian-free countries look today.
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ANd the demographics are going to catch up with them in another fashion. Keeping barbarians out physically if different from keeping them out intellectually. An intellectual wall was what we had up to the 1960's until the liberal view of multiculturalism and cultural relevancy became the norm. We need that wall back. Make English the official language, vet any and everyone who wants to come here to become Americans and do NOT make it easy for them to remain whatever they were. Make sure they become Americans and part and parcel of that is the foundational belief of Limited Government, personal liberty and responsibility. Do that effectively and I don't care where anyone comes from, if you want to live here then become one of us, the rules ain't too hard and ain't too onerous. If you can't do that, stay home and try to change your own damn country into a better place.
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Honestly now. Do you think it's easier to do a wall and just not let the third world in, or to drive those changes you're outlining above as governmental policies?
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ANd the demographics are going to catch up with them in another fashion. Keeping barbarians out physically if different from keeping them out intellectually. An intellectual wall was what we had up to the 1960's until the liberal view of multiculturalism and cultural relevancy became the norm. We need that wall back. Make English the official language, vet any and everyone who wants to come here to become Americans and do NOT make it easy for them to remain whatever they were. Make sure they become Americans and part and parcel of that is the foundational belief of Limited Government, personal liberty and responsibility. Do that effectively and I don't care where anyone comes from, if you want to live here then become one of us, the rules ain't too hard and ain't too onerous. If you can't do that, stay home and try to change your own damn country into a better place.
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For such a regime to exist most of the country has to buy into it, which seems unlikely at this point. But...culture tends to flow from the top, so we'll see what Trump can do.
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Honestly now. Do you think it's easier to do a wall and just not let the third world in, or to drive those changes you're outlining above as governmental policies?
For either to be supported by a majority of the country, the "equality" doctrine must first be discarded. Otherwise, it's all "discrimination" (making choices! OMG Nazi!).
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Honestly now. Do you think it's easier to do a wall and just not let the third world in, or to drive those changes you're outlining above as governmental policies?
A physical wall can only be a temporary measure. The other is more permanent. I can only seek to strive for what will ultimately be the best solution even if tactically I must get there through a more ready journey of stop gap measures. Both, by need, must be pursued and one should not lose sight of the perfect for just the obtainable.
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When you're in a sinking, holed boat, you plug the hole first before deciding to overturn the shipping industry to provide for higher standards. Everything we speak of - rule of law, limited government, liberty, education and prosperity - is MEANINGLESS unless it starts with first stopping the inflow of barbarians and then flushing the polity of those who've made it in already.
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