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Default Total crickets from the lapdog media: New find debunks CO2 climate "science."

Which, it is very easy to debunk and "throw into disarray" because it's not science to start with.

Giant of Geology/Glaciology Christian Schlüchter Throws CO2 Climate Science into Disarray | Principia Scientific Intl

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Sensational discovery of 4000-year old chunks of wood at the edge of glaciers in Switzerland proves climate was warmer in the past than previously thought. Distinguished geologist, Professor Christian Schlüchter, condemns politically corrupt 'man-made global warming' scientists for covering up the game-changing find.

P. Gosselin (notrickszone.com) reports (June 09, 2014):

This post is about an interview by the online Swiss Der Bund here with Swiss geology giant Christian Schlüchter titled: “Our society is fundamentally dishonest“. In it he criticizes climate science for its extreme tunnel vision and political contamination.

Geologist Sebastain Lüning sent me an e-mail where he writes: “This is probably the best interview from a geologist on climate change that I have read for a long while. My highest respect for Prof. Schlüchter.” Fritz Vahrenholt calls it “impressive”.

His discovery of 4000-year old chunks of wood at the edge of glaciers in Switzerland in the 1990s unintentionally thrust the distinguished geologist into the lion’s den of climate science. Today the retired professor and author of more than 250 papers speaks up in an interview.

Almost glacier-free Alps 2000 years ago

Early in the interview Schlüchter reminds us that during Roman times in the Alps “the forest line was much higher than it is today; there were hardly any glaciers. Nowhere in the detailed travel accounts from Roman times are glaciers mentioned.” He criticizes today’s climate scientists for focusing on a time period that is “indeed much too short“.

In the interview, Schlüchter recounts how he in the 1990s found a large chunk of wood near the leading edge of a glacier. The chunk of wood, he describes, looked as if it had been dragged across a cheese shredder. It was clear to Schlüchter that the specimen had to be very old. Indeed laboratory analysis revealed that it was 4000 years old. Next they found multiple wood fragments with the same age, all serving to fill in a major piece of the paleo-puzzle. His conclusion: Today where one finds the Lower Aare-Glacier in the Bernese Alps, it used to be “a wide landscape with a wildly flowing river“. It was warmer back then.

Until the 1990s, scientists thought that the Alps glaciers had been more or less consistently intact and only began retreating after the end of the Little Ice Age. Schlüchter’s findings showed that glacial retreats of the past also had been profound.

This threw climate science into chaos and it remains unreconciled today.

Ice-free 5800 of the last 10,000 years

But not all scientists were thrilled or fascinated by Schlüchter’s impressive discoveries. He quickly found himself the target of scorn. Swiss climate scientist Heinz Wanner was reluctant to concede Schlüchter’s findings. Schlüchter tells Der Bund:

I wasn’t supposed to find that chunk of wood because I didn’t belong to the close-knit circle of Holocene and climate researchers. My findings thus caught many experts off guard: Now an ‘amateur’ had found something that the Holocene and climate experts should have found.”

Schlüchter tells of other works, which also have proven to be a thorn to mainstream climate science, involving the Rhone glacier. His studies and analyses of oxygen isotopes unequivocally reveal that indeed “the rock surface had been ice-free 5800 of the last 10,000 years“.

Distinct solar imprint on climate

What’s more worrisome, Schlüchter’s findings show that cold periods can strike very rapidly. Near the edge of Mont Miné Glacier his team found huge tree trunks and discovered that they all had died in just a single year. The scientists were stunned.

The year of death could be determined to be exactly 8195 years before present. The oxygen isotopes in the Greenland ice show there was a marked cooling around 8200.”

That finding, Schlüchter states, confirmed that the sun is the main driver in climate change.

Today’s “rapid” changes are nothing new

In the interview he casts doubt on the UN projection that the Alps will be almost glacier-free by 2100, reminding us that “the system is extremely dynamic and doesn’t function linearly” and that “extreme, sudden changes have clearly been seen in the past“. History’s record is unequivocal on this.

Schlüchter also doesn’t view today’s climate warming as anything unusual, and poses a number of unanswered questions:

Why did the glaciers retreat in the middle of the 19th century, although the large CO2 increase in the atmosphere came later? Why did the earth ‘tip’ in such a short time into a warming phase? Why did glaciers again advance in 1880s, 1920s and 1980s? [...] Sooner or later climate science will have to answer the question why the retreat of the glacier at the end of the Little Ice Age around 1850 was so rapid.”

On science: “Our society is fundamentally dishonest”

CO2 fails to answer many open questions. Already we get the sense that hockey stick climate claims are turning out to be rather sorrowful and unimaginative wives’ tales. He summarizes on the refusal to acknowledge the reality of our past: “Our society in fundamentally dishonest“.

“Helping hands for politicians”

In the Der Bund interview Schlüchter describes a meeting in England that turned him off completely. The meeting, to which he was “accidentally” invited, was led by “someone of the East Anglia Climate Center who had come under fire in the wake of the ‘Climategate’ e-mails“:

The leader of the meeting spoke like some kind of Father. He was seated at a table in front of the those gathered and he took messages. He commented on them either benevolently or dismissively. Lastly it was about tips on research funding proposals and where to submit them best. For me it was impressive to see how the leader of the meeting collected and selected information. For me it also gets down to the credibility of science. [...] Today many natural scientists are helping hands of politicians, and no longer scientists who occupy themselves with new knowledge and data. And that worries me.”

Schlüchter adds that the reputation of science among young researchers is becoming more damaged the more it surrenders to politics. He indirectly blasts IPCC chief scientist Thomas Stocker:

Inventing the devil was one of man’s greatest inventions ever achieved. You can make a lot of money when you paint him on the wall.”

Northern hemisphere still gripped in ice age mode

Schlüchter also says that the northern hemisphere is still in the ice age mode and that the glaciers during the Roman times were at least 300 to 500 meters higher than today. “The mean temperature was one and half degree Celsius above that of 2005. The current development is nothing new in terms of the earth’s history.”

At the end of the interview Schlüchter says that solar activity is what is sitting at the end of the lever of change, with tectonics and volcanoes chiming in.

Professor Niklaus Ammann adds:

“Good to hear from Christian Schlüchter (once he was my student – and a brilliant one). My thesis work from 1972 gave lots of proof for mountain forests in the Grimsel (Unteraar- and Oberaar-Glacier) with a rich forest flora.”
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Obviously another concoction by the Koch brothers. I blame Bush. If a non-existent God wanted the Earth to be warmer he would have told the world that fact while being interviewed by Oprah.
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Well now: What does the Lightbringer say?

Climate change deniers "serious threat" to future, Obama says – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

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Anaheim, California (CNN) — Describing lawmakers and pundits who deny manmade climate change as a “fairly serious threat to everybody’s future,” President Obama on Saturday called for less debate and more action in combating warming trends.
You all can expect an no-knock raid in the middle of the night. After all, the very President of the United States has designated you as a "serious threat".
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While I suspect that it was unintended this formulation can actually be considered as the truth. Although what is manmade is not the climate change but the serious threat to everybody's future that results from manmade responses to normal Earth activity.
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While I suspect that it was unintended this formulation can actually be considered as the truth. Although what is manmade is not the climate change but the serious threat to everybody's future that results from manmade responses to normal Earth activity.
You took the words right out of my brain and typed them.
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I doubt it. It's not like China's, Russia's or India's steam will be capped by greentardism. This is yet another white guilt project for transfer of money from white taxpayers in the west to UN-connected kleptocrats in the third world with our own progressive "elites" getting a very fair middleman consideration.
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I doubt it. It's not like China's, Russia's or India's steam will be capped by greentardism. This is yet another white guilt project for transfer of money from white taxpayers in the west to UN-connected kleptocrats in the third world with our own progressive "elites" getting a very fair middleman consideration.
Interesting take. But in that case Obama should only feel half as bad as I do because he's only half white. I personally don't care at all about it, since our current politics will make this planet unlivable long before the climate can.
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Here's an experiment for you: go to the nearest Sierra Club meeting. Or Greenpeace rally. Or neighbourhood committee for trash sorting. Do a quick racial inventory. How many non-white faces are you going to see?
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And speaking of Greenpeace:

Greenpeace chief Pascal Husting commutes by plane | Mail Online

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A Greenpeace senior executive commutes to work by plane despite the organisation’s anti-air travel campaign, it emerged yesterday.

Pascal Husting, Greenpeace International’s programme director, has been flying 250 miles between Luxembourg and Amsterdam at the charity’s expense since 2012.

Each trip costs Greenpeace £200 and would generate 142kg of carbon dioxide emissions, according to airline KLM.
It's curious - it's like these people didn't really believe in Global Warming Climate Change Rising Oceans End of Days themselves. But surely, surely that can't be it?
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It's not MY individual contribution to global warming that is the problem but it is collectively all YOUR contributions that has to be regulated and taxed.
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