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Old December 30th, 2012, 11:09 PM
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This came up as the only thread with the word "fiscal" in the title so Ill post here.

I was just listening to judge Jeanine Pirro on FNC discussing the fiscal cliff negotiation going on and she had two elected reps, Marci Kaptor D of Ohio and a Repub whose name I can't recall. The discussion was supposed to be about the negotiations, and while the Repub had sound reasoning on options, Kaptor could only relate to the topic with political shots.

Her last one was a way to get money into the treasury was that Wall Street CEOs should be criminally charged which is clearly lacking in any logic beyond the fines that might be collected. Pirro said that was not going to get it, that we need to cut the spending.

Meanwhile Harry Reid is lambasting the Republicans for putting forth the idea of cutting Social Security benefits... Of course he didn't bother to explain that that idea is to tie SS annual increases to "chained" CPI instead of CPI. He said: "it was good that they took it off the table; it, it shouldn't have been on the table in the first place"

I almost agree with him about the foolishness of proposing that. If we believe that something substantial needs done about spending why shoot yourself in the foot with that little tid-bit? And that was the very same subject of the Presidents comments, further alienating the Repubs from the elderly or soon to become elderly.

My $1200 monthly SS check, a fairly representative one in the median, increased by about $15 this year, so instead it might've gone up only $14? This is supposed to save 20 billion a year, if you believe that. I don't, and the SS potential cuts ought to be taken comprehensively. If you're going to take that up it better be worth it.

I would accept means testing, by the way: as long as we in my family earn over some minimum standard for poverty, then collect from us some surcharge, on after tax income; remember, we are paying FICA at 15.62% on our SS income as well as all our regular "earned" income. Then, if the adopted that, we can decide how much longer we want to go on working. That could apply to unearned income too, but based only on after tax earnings.

I hope there is a lesson for the Republicans in this debacle. McConnell is asking VP Biden to get involved. This might be an opportunity for Biddn to shine in light of his presidential aspirations, and McConnell thinks he knows Biden, and might be able to talk sense.

I'm just venting as I watch this go down.... Which I remind you; this shit couldn't go down like this if we had a legitimate media.
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I hope there is a lesson for the Republicans in this debacle.
It would be legitimate to hope for that, if only the repugs had shown - just ONE time in the last fifteen years at least, that they are capable of learning any lessons.
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Yeah. The party of stupid sure doesn't seem to get even the most trivial insights about political machinations.

Anyway, to compare with the Worlds Leading Socialist & Progressive Utopia, Hallowed be Its Forward-Thinking Name, about two decades ago our politico's got together after having had some actuarial reports shoved in their faces by the permanent bureaucracy. After some nights of wrangling, they produced the "Great Pension Deal", which automatically cuts SS as the number of recipients raise to match the system inflow. This wasn't met with much popular opposition, since the system was still running a huge net positive back then. Today, SS is being cut by some percentage each year and while, naturally, seniors are bitching and grumbling about it there's absolutely nobody in politics even mentioning a reform of a system that is not generating infinite deficits. Or any deficits at all, really.

If only we hadn't handily undone all that smartness by importing the worst trash in the known universe from Moslem hellholes like Afganistan, Iraq and Somalia by the job lot...
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We should understand that the conservative cause is a far more complicated one, and therefore subject to distortions by the other side, making things appear as they are not.

Republicans will be blamed for any tax inceases, and early next year Obama will actually cut the taxes that "they raised."

And once sequestration takes place, Obama will be credited with restoring some funding to the military (but only where he sees fit), and he will get credit for that, while blaming the repubs for irresponsibly making those cuts happen.

I maintain that if the media did their job these things could not happen; meanwhile the repubs fail to find ways to force the discussion in their favor, and let the president control the dialogue.
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Obama is giving a pre-nup speech as usual assailing congress namely republicans, with some average Americans standing behind him.

He gets big smiles from the crowd, when he says that congress, will put off and take every second they can to do that even if it means going down to the last second.

Never mind that Harry Reid has sat on legislative bills generated by the house on these very issues dating back to April and May, and he did that with the president's full knowledge and approval.

We are looking at the biggest con, presumably on an educated people of a couple of millenia. Actually people of ancient Rome were better informed by public announcements in their forum than the average American voter is with their instantaneous media.
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Nope. Trust me on this - the biggest con is going down in Brussels. The average Eurocome doesn't even know what name our Obama equivalent has...

Granted, no people has been quite so willing to drink the cool aid as long as the welfare keeps flowing as Americans lately. But you're new to this stuff and haven't developed the proper amount of cynicism about a thoroughly corrupt system yet.

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I maintain that if the media did their job these things could not happen; meanwhile the repubs fail to find ways to force the discussion in their favor, and let the president control the dialogue.
But my dear American Horse they ARE doing their jobs, their jobs as the advocates and spokesmen for the Democratic party. The media is merely the privately funded arm of the DNC publicity department. Any instances of reporting fairness is purely coincidence and should be reported to the DNC immediately for disciplinary action.
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