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Default Christianity's Doctrine of Atonement

Some of you may be familiar with the teaching that "Jesus died for our sins". Yet the teachings of Jesus, even as recorded in the Bible, are contrary to this doctrine. The choice for Christians is clear: follow the teachings of Jesus, or follow the teachings of the men who espouse the atonement doctrine.

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Alright, I wanted to humor you here but that is way too much reading for a subject that isn't really pertinent to me at the moment, so I will leave it to others. Out of sheer curiosity, could you give the notion a quick summary? Like 8 or 10 of the best bullet points?
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S/He's actually having to read, themselves,
or they don't "get" the whole Copy & Paste option.

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Alright, I wanted to humor you here but that is way too much reading for a subject that isn't really pertinent to me at the moment, so I will leave it to others. Out of sheer curiosity, could you give the notion a quick summary? Like 8 or 10 of the best bullet points?
Basically, the blood atonement doctrine is not supported by the words of Jesus as recorded in the Bible. When asked what the first rule for living should be, Jesus told us to love God. When asked what the second rule should be, he told us to love one another. At no point did he say "You must believe that my death was necessary to save mankind". The article has links at the top which will take you to specific areas that might be of interest. If you aren't motivated to read any of this, maybe you're in the wrong thread.
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At no point did he say "You must believe that my death was necessary to save mankind".
I don't have a dog in this hunt, but doesn't that, sort of, have some pretty serious chronology issues?
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And I think there is a mistake about it not appearing in the Bible.

Romans 4:25
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I guess if you want to say, Jesus never said it, you are right. But it is in the Bible and is there for a reason. This interpretation.

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Feel free though to post 2-3 paragraphs as a hook, then post the link and you'll find you generate more interest in clicks.

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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but doesn't that, sort of, have some pretty serious chronology issues?
My bad, I probably should've made it future tense.
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