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Old October 15th, 2018, 03:37 PM
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Hamilton was a fraud. It wasn't Southern slaves producing cotton for Yankee industry that made the US a nation. It was the power of the gun. In the end, it is always the power of the gun. Absent Washington and the continental army, the highest official authority in America would be Her Majesty's Lord Governor, kindly advising Her Majesty's loyal Prime Minister.

Oh, all boats? How about every single other country in that region? How about same-time-frame-"liberated" Africa? How about bloody South America?

The fact is that nobody in the history of Mankind ever gave a damn about democracy, limited government and rule of law outside a narrow circle of Northern and Central European people's, and even those only to varied extent. As America is turning ever faster into a Mexico-Somalia-China melange, every other consideration but race and tribe will vanish. It already has, for the most part, except most US whites haven't even noticed yet.
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It wasn't Southern slaves producing cotton for Yankee industry that made the US a nation. It was the power of the gun.
That's of course not even what Hamilton was talking about. He was talking about what would keep it together. Not what made it. And most of the Southern cotton and other ag goods were actually exported abroad, to Europe. Not sent to the industrializing north.
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In the end, it is always the power of the gun.
They had bigger and better guns, better trained troops, they were a superpower of their time, and lost.
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Absent Washington and the continental army, the highest official authority in America would be Her Majesty's Lord Governor, kindly advising Her Majesty's loyal Prime Minister.
Let's not forget His Majesty's troops, "kindly" patrolling our streets, destroying our property, stealing our goods and raping our women.

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Oh, all boats? How about every single other country in that region? How about same-time-frame-"liberated" Africa? How about bloody South America?
Clearly you can't see the vast improvement that occurred in those areas, post-60s? "Floating all boats" does not mean all boats rise to the exact same level. But they do, and have, risen.

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The fact is that nobody in the history of Mankind ever gave a damn about democracy, limited government and rule of law outside a narrow circle of Northern and Central European people's, and even those only to varied extent.
Explains why it's been under attack since its inception. Despotism and Dictatorships have always died hard.
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As America is turning ever faster into a Mexico-Somalia-China melange, every other consideration but race and tribe will vanish. It already has, for the most part, except most US whites haven't even noticed yet
Although there's no doubt the demographics are changing, you're still 100-plus years away from the change making any headway towards getting our Constitution discarded. I've no doubt that's happening, and a large portion of white America realizes it's happening while a small portion of it has been working for generations to hasten it. Ultimately, America will fail. Just like every "empire" has, throughout time. I've no illusions about that.

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Hamilton was a fraud.
Only to those who've never read his essays and might not even understand them if they did - orrrr who might not even debate his actual points and instead, deflect.
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That's of course not even what Hamilton was talking about. He was talking about what would keep it together.
Guess his political theory was vindicated in 1861, then.
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They had bigger and better guns, better trained troops, they were a superpower of their time, and lost.
They lost. Militarily. That they had bigger fish to fry elsewhere does not matter. Guns got them out, not flowery speeches or high-minded documents.
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Clearly you can't see the vast improvement that occurred in those areas, post-60s? "Floating all boats" does not mean all boats rise to the exact same level. But they do, and have, risen.
There's been plenty of global progress, except in Africa. But no one, no where, has taken a backward shithole and turned it into a fucking wakanda in one generation. Except our friend Yew. Feel free to compare Singapore to any other polity in the world in this respect. Yew knew what his was doing.
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Explains why it's been under attack since its inception. Despotism and Dictatorships have always died hard.Although there's no doubt the demographics are changing, you're still 100-plus years away from the change making any headway towards getting our Constitution discarded.
You? Like I have a stake in that game. Now, how about you have a careful - nah, scratch that, a cursory - look at the country you live in and compare it to what's in the constitution? See any resemblance? Do you imagine that any of the FFs would look at today's USA with anything but horror and disgust? The constitution is a bit of paper, no more no less. Those who interpret and enforce it use it as a prop to control the rubes. In reality, it's all just the power of the state, enforced by the men with the badges and the guns, as it has always been. And since the state and the badges have both been corrupted and the people adulterated beyond redemption, calling muh constitution at this point is like a death cult member trying to rationalize why Armageddon didn't happen at the time Great Leader had promised.

To quote another FF, since you put so much stake in them; "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Does what lives in the US these days seem to you to even approximately match that criterion?

And my point is that NR and similar globohomo propaganda outlets are trying to pull a muh constitution fast one on the rubes that feel that something is terribly wrong with this transformation of the US into Greater MexiSomalia, but will go back to sleep in front of their boob tubes if only they can be convinced that their gibs will keep flowing.
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A limited government constitution only works when the people placed in positions of power want it to be limited. Ever since our inception you have people more desirous of "Getting something done" than wondering if or how the Constitution permits them to do it. But that boat has sailed a long time ago and nothing going to get it back into the harbor, not even another revolution.
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