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The tea party loves commerce. The Chamber of Commerce, otoh, loves cronyism.

Yes, by all means, let us have a look at the triumphs that the the CoC GOP has cashed in since the disgust with Obama's little health reform brought the house under their control, shall we? Have they managed to force a budget? Have the managed to reverse O-Care, or at least force the exec in chief to exercise his veto? Have they managed to secure the border and start the deportations? Have they even managed to force an end to the infinite debt ceiling? Well, they have managed to manfully declare that they will be to gentlemanly to use that nuclear veto their dem brethren happily swung to drive through O-care back when they were in charge.

And therein lies your quandary: If you want to see any sort of conservative sanity in US politics, it does not matter if the DNC or the CoC GOP hold the reins. You are still getting socialism and democide. That is a hard hard sell as a victory to people who either support themselves outside the welfare benny system or else hate whites with a burning passion.
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Yes, by all means, let us have a look at the triumphs that the the CoC GOP has cashed in since the disgust with Obama's little health reform brought the house under their control, shall we? .

I don't have a quandary. See, you had to start from a delusional place to make your point. The disgust with ObamaCare was 2009. If we could've gotten some reasonable candidates in 2010 we could have done half of the things you stated here. But aside from that, let's look at both sides of this coin.

Tarkanian was winning in the polls, but the tea baggers wanted Angle in Nevada. Castle was mopping up the Dem in Delaware but they wanted O'Donnell. Then of course there was Miller in Alaska, who won the primary then lost in the general to the Candidate he beat in the primary. So I ask you... how much of your list got fixed by these nut bars that the tea party pushed through primaries? The answer, of course, is "none" or it wouldn't still be on the list.

Typical idealogue bs. You squandered the political capital we had when we needed it, then blame the Republicans who came in 5 years later for not fixing 5 year old issues. You're going to have to try harder than that.
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Look, the CoC GOP rode in on their high horses after the last midterms, fresh mandate to crush the dems, see them driven before them, and hear the lamentations of their transgenders. What do they have to show for that? Zip, zilch and nada, that's what.
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Who elected them? Do you support the establishment? Or do you support the tea party guys then try to co-opt the establishment politicians who win? If it's the latter, that might explain why they're not doing what you want them to. Perhaps they are working for their actual supporters.
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Look, the CoC GOP rode in on their high horses after the last midterms, fresh mandate to crush the dems, see them driven before them, and hear the lamentations of their transgenders. What do they have to show for that? Zip, zilch and nada, that's what.


So what you're saying is that we have the exact same outcome as when the tea party guys were winning their primaries?



There is obviously no magic wand to undo the damages that were done while we were screwing around with unelectable moon bats from the tea party ranks. What improvements you have seen have come in the form of adaptations from the Obama Administration. Since they can't win in Congress anymore, they have to issue executive orders to get what they want. Of course, that gives folks like you ammo to claim that the Republicans have done nothing, but in reality the executive orders die with the administration, unlike the laws they were passing while we experimented with your candidates.
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You are right, they all got every vote from People who aren't Tea Party/Conservative voters thus easily eclipsing their Democrat opponents and not having to campaign like they were conservatives at all. How could i have missed that?

It is time for a new party, well and truly and let us see where the chips actually fall.
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You are right, they all got every vote from People who aren't Tea Party/Conservative voters thus easily eclipsing their Democrat opponents and not having to campaign like they were conservatives at all. How could i have missed that?

It is time for a new party, well and truly and let us see where the chips actually fall.


First off, let's not conflate tea party and conservatism here. The tea party is a populist movement of no particular political persuasion.



That aside, of course they got votes from them. The same way that when the Giants and Patriots played Cowboys and Eagles fans were cheering for the Pats. Don't hold your breath at the post game waiting to hear Brady thank Dallas fans for their support. The Tea Party challenged most of the sitting Republicans in the Senate that were in a race last cycle. Did they ultimately vote for the Republican? Most likely. Now when you get an issue where the Tea Party and Republicans disagree, do you think Lamar Alexander is gonna side with the Tea Party that challenged him or guys like me that kept the Tea Bagger away in the primary?



The Tea Party is a vocal minority. They are passionate, so they were able to make some hay, but good Republicans like myself now realize that the real fight is in the primary, not the general election. Where not standing by anymore waiting for them (with the help of Democrats in many states) to send us another wing nut down the line.
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So what you're saying is that we have the exact same outcome as when the tea party guys were winning their primaries?
Pretty much. What it does prove is that the CoC GOP is as useless when winning elections as it is when losing them. It truly does not matter - the Dem agenda is going full steam ahead anyway.
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As opposed to, say, the damage when "eminently electable" CoC candidates like McCain or Romney somehow managed to lose to Obama.
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You think president Hillary will be cancelling Bammy executive orders left and right?
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It's not? Sorry, but I do not think your interpretation is correct. How can it be a movement, aiming for political change in Washington, and not also be "Political" in nature? Non-sequitur your facts are uncoordinated. Not to mention your reason. It is certainly not progressive nor liberal based in it's underlying philosophy, unless you think less taxes and smaller government is somehow representative of those philosophies as currently understood by society in general. Gonna have to disagree with ya there.

So you do admit that Republicans achieved victory with their help. Yet after getting this help they can safely ignore their concerns, because......sour grapes, nanananana I won and you didn't so go back to your little hum drum lives and let me get on to hard work of helping to implement the Democratic agenda, oh and the by the way. STFU.

Like I said, it may be time to, after failing through the establish political process, to make the establishment take our concerns seriously, we must take the fight to the next level and let the "Republicans" compete without us. Best of luck and all that but we will sit at home on that second Tuesday in November since whether you get elected or not at this point since is immaterial to whether our "Philosophy" gets promoted or not.
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